Saturday, January 31, 2009

Post-Cult After Effects: Floating

I will begin this post with the same warning as the previous one. Not all the ex-members of cults and abusive churches experience all the post-cult after effects. It is normal to experience only some or even none of them. If you did not notice that you experienced a certain after effect or are uncertain whether you experienced it or not, do not try to find it in your experience. Consider it as somebody's else experience, not yours. As I wrote previously, I did not experience any floatings for 3.5 years after leaving, and began to experience them soon after reading Hassan's Combatting Cult Mind Control.

I noticed quite a serious difference between the descriptions of floating given by Hassan and by Dr. Margaret Singer. Hassan's description is based on his DID (dissociative identity disorder) theory. According to that theory, cult mind control forms a new identity, or personality, in addition to the original one (real identity). Hassan calls this new identity "cult identity." According to Hassan, floating is a switch from the real identity to the cult identity, experienced by an ex-cult member when something (so-called "trigger") reminds him/her of the cult experience. In order to get rid of floatings, he advises to find out the triggers that cause floating and make a new associations. For example, since he was a Moonie, the word "moon" reminded him of San Myung Moon. So, he reminded himself of the real meaning of the word "moon" in order to get rid of this trigger. Then, he gives a list of possible triggers.

Margaret Singer in Cults in Our Midst, chapter 12 describes floating in a different way.
A number of cult practices tend to produce varying degrees of trance states, disrupt normal reflective thought, and interrupt a person's general reality orientation (GRO). After practicing or participating in certain exercises and activities for years, some of these undesirable habits become ingrained. Both while in the cult and after leaving, a number of persons involuntarily enter dissociative states and have difficulty maintaining reflective thinking and concentration. Time goes by without their being aware of it. During these periods, they have certain kinds of memories and slip into altered states of consciousness, which they sometimes call flashbacks or floating. But these are, in fact, forms of dissociation.

Dissociation is a normal mental response to anxiety. A momentary anxiety arises when internal or external cues (trigger) set off a memory, a related idea, or a state of feeling that has anxiety attached to it. This brief anxiety experience alerts the mind to split off - that is, the mind stops paying attention to the surrounding reality of the moment. The person becomes absorbed and immersed in some other mental picture, idea, or feeling. This dissociation occurs unexpectedly and unintentionally and it is this dissociation that can be experienced as a floating effect.

Most of the time the floating is described by former cult members as "how I felt while in the group." Sometimes the feeling is one of nostalgia for some aspect of the cult. Sometimes it is a feeling of fear that the person should go back to the cult. Most of the time, people describe it as being suspended between the two worlds of present life and the past cult life.

Triggers, flashbacks, and floating are part of the normal repertoire of the human mind, but usually people experience them as brief, infrequent episodes. Because certain cult practices tend to produce hypnotic states and are used extensively for prolonged periods, people emerge with years of practice in how to dissociate. What are transient, brief mental moments for the ordinary person become practiced and reinforced behaviors for cult members. The moments of dissociation become intensified, prolonged, and disruptive experiences; they prevent sustained reflective thinking, concentration, and the ability to plan ahead.

Because these dissociative responses are overlearned, they become distracting, immobilizing habits. They often occur when a person has to shift from one task to the next. It's as though the choice of what to do next sets off the act of spacing out. In the cult, that moment of what to do next was stressful: you had to make a decision knowing that all decisions had to be "right" and that you could get into trouble if your decision was wrong. This experience is perhaps the source of the apparent conditioning that causes decision making to trigger a dissociation.

Consequently, great difficulty in making decisions is common among ex-members. At times they do not know what to do, say, or think. It is as though they suddenly become dependent and childlike, looking for direction. In the cult, they followed a predetermined path of obedience. Now they find themselves fearful, feeling stupid and guilty, and not knowing what to do. The newly found independent decision making process becomes riddled with fears and anxieties - all ripe moments for floating.

Floating episodes occur more frequently when someone is tired or ill, at the end of the day, on long highway drives, or doing highly repetitive tasks - that is, when the person feels weary and unfocused but must also think. A period of dissociation and a puzzled moment of wondering, What just happened to my thoughts and feelings? Will arrive at such times. It helps if former members can learn to recognize those vulnerable moments in their lives for the conditioned responses that they are.

The most important differences are:
1. Margaret Singer describes floating as a form of dissociation, not as an experience of the cult identity.
2. Margaret Singer writes that all the people have episodes of dissociation (floating), but usually these episodes are brief and infrequent. Some ex-members of cults experience them as longer episodes because they learned to dissociate in cults through the various meditative and hypnotic practices. Some ex-cult members spent hours in dissociative states when they were in cults. So, there is nothing surprising in their experiencing dissociation after leaving.
3. Margaret Singer writes that dissociating is a normal response to anxiety. So, some ex-cult members experience floating when they feel anxiety, for example, when they need to make a decision. Floating episodes are more frequent when a person is ill or tired.

Then, Margaret Singer gives more recommendations how to stop floating (Cults in Our Midst, chapter 12).
Behaviorally orientated educational techniques are the best methods of counteracting and dealing with floating episodes. The triggers are just associations and memories, and only that. They are not arcane implants put in your mind by others; they do not reflect uncontrollable suggestions. Floating is simply getting stuck for a few minutes, or sometimes hours, in a familiar, detached, and conflicted state, such as you experienced while in the cult.

Three types of remembrances are experienced by ex-cult members during floating episodes:

* Contents from the cult days; jargon, dogma, practices, songs, rituals, certain clothing.
* Feeling states that were vivid and frequent during the time in the group: gnawing inner doubt, inadequacy, unmitigated fear, unending hidden tension.
* Strange wordless states, sometimes given denigrating labels by the cult (for example, "bliss ninny," "space cadet"): referred to as floating, involuntary meditation, and wavy states by former members.

Often former cult members don't distinguish among remembrances from cult life. But learning to recognize and identify the types just described is helpful in the process of getting rid of them for good. It demystifies your cultic experience and the power you think it holds over you. You will no longer feel you are at the mercy of some strange phenomenon that you cannot control.

Some cults even have their own terms, such as restimulation, which they use to predict the recurrence of these episodes (both while in the cult and later). This, of course, sets members up to expect what does occur once in a while. The cult that uses this particular term also imbues the involuntary state with the implication that "you can't help it because it's in your wiring." This frightens members, who then carry this notion with them when they leave. Myths such as this cause former members to become very anxious when the dissociative episodes occur.

Remember, there are no mysterious, mechanical, out-of-our-control events. No cult and no person has the power or skill to implant such things in the minds of their members or to cause these episodes to happen after members leave. There is no scientific evidence, no valid clinical observation that such a possibility exists.

Individuals newly emerging from a cult can almost expect and need not be alarmed by periods of seeming to lose track of time or where they are. It's normal for them to think often about various experiences from cult days and sometimes feel as they felt back in the cult. During exit counseling, families should be told that floating is likely to occur for a time after the cult member leaves the group. They are advised to ex-member to talk about and deal with these episodes.

Floating does not mean you want to return to the cult. As described earlier, floating is most likely to happen when you are stressed, anxious, uncertain, lonely, distracted, fatigued, or ill. Once you recognize when these episodes may occur, you can prepare for them. Then the event will be less distressing when it happens. Realizing that floating is a dissociative moment will help. Once you understand that you are merely temporarily psychologically disengaging, you won't think that your memory is shot or that you are losing your mind. You can say to yourself, "I'm not damaged for life. This is just a momentary dissociation. I can pick up where I was. It's just a thought, just a memory. I don't have to act on it."

Here are some helpful Antidotes:

* Keep a written log of the happenings so that you can talk about them and come to understand what happens. Write down the simple word, event, voice, sound, smell, motion, expression, or memory; that is, trace back and recall what set you off so that you can begin to comprehend what occurred. Why that thing? Why that moment? What was the state you were in?
* Divert yourself when you are about to fall into a dissociative state. Sometimes a friend or co-worker will notice that you are beginning to space out, and she or he may offer companionship or listening time or divert you into an activity. You can also create your own activities that you set into motion when you recognize a trigger or start to float. Turn to the radio, listen to the news, call someone on the phone, write in your journal, play with the dog.
* Suppress the feeling. You do not have to act on it, you do not have to let the cult-related feeling overwhelm you. Push it away and go on to something else. Later, at a more appropriate moment, you may want to talk with someone about the situation.
* Learn to minimize the frightening leftovers from cult days. You might be flooded with feelings, but say to yourself, "I'm not going crazy. I'm just a little anxious." Focus on the present, on today, on getting your life back together.
* If you do fall into a dissociative state, bring yourself back with a scenery change. Pinch yourself. Rub your hand. Do something that will provide sensory input and break the feeling of being in limbo. Focus your eyes on something directly in front of you.

All these techniques will help break up the floods of emotion and emotional memories that come in at you. Taking a down-to-earth and aggressive stance against triggers and floating will propel you to take great leaps forward in your recovery.


Since Hassan supports DID theory, he gives all the ex-cult members the diagnosis of Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (DSM-IV 300.15). Margaret Singer wrote that only some ex-cult members have this disorder. I could not find Margaret Singer's description of this disorder, but it is possible that her view of this disorder was different from Hassan's.

Margaret Singer's description of what most ex-members of cults experience is very much different from Hassan's (Mental Health Issues).
Degrees of anomie. The majority reaction seen in people who leave thought reform programs, almost regardless of the time spent with the group, is a varying degree of anomie -- a sense of alienation and confusion resulting from the loss or weakening of previously valued norms, ideals, or goals. When the person leaves the group and returns to broader society, culture shock and anxiety usually result from the theories learned in the group and the need to reconcile situational demands, values, and memories in three eras -- the past prior to the group, the time in the group, and the present situation.

The person feels like an immigrant or refugee who enters a new culture. However, the person is reentering his or her former culture, bringing along a series of experiences and beliefs from the group with which he or she had affiliated that conflict with norms and expectations. Unlike the immigrant confronting merely novel situations, the returnee is confronting a rejected society. Thus, most people leaving a thought reform program have a period in which they need to put together the split or doubled self they maintained while they were in the group and come to terms with their pre-group sense of self.

So, according to Margaret Singer, most ex-cult members experience alienation from the mainstream society and not some induced psychopathologies. She also writes that ex-members' psychological responses to thought reform programs (mind control) are different for different people.

7 comments:

Bernie said...

I find your posts and comparison studies interesting. However, I don't quite understand some of the differences you make here.

Quote: "Since Hassan supports DID theory, he gives all the ex-cult members the diagnosis of Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (DSM-IV 300.15). Margaret Singer wrote that only some ex-cult members have this disorder. "

You have quoted Singer a lot so I think I kind of understand what she means. However, I don't quite grasp what is Hassan's viewpoint.

Is this (DSM-IV 300.15) diagnostic on his part something permanent? Or something that only occurs from time to time?

From what I understand through your writings (I have not read Hassan's books), the "cult identity" the ex-member switch too during "floating" is something temporary, since it can be offset by desensitizing the trigger. Other than just giving it another name, thus, how is it different than what Singer is describing?

Borz Löma Nal (Lema Nal) said...

In "Releasing the Bonds," chapter 2, Hassan writes ( http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/books/rtb2.htm ):

"Cults consistently manipulate the elements that form an individual's identity, including important beliefs, values, and relationships. Cult mind control dissociates a person from his authentic identity, and makes his new cult identity dependent on the group. From a mental health perspective, cult mind control splits elements of an individual's psyche into another distinct personality. The cult member actually comes to exhibit symptoms of a "dissociative disorder," as defined in the DSM-IV, the diagnostic manual for the American Psychiatric Association (300.15). His behavior can also resemble that of a person with a dependent personality disorder."

So, according to Hassan, cult mind control creates "cult identity" and the existence of this "cult identity" is Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (DSM-IV 300.15).

Then, he writes that after leaving a cult a person still has the "cult identity." According to Hassan, most cult experts and exit counselors help ex-cult members to suppress the "cult identity," but it still continues to exist and sometimes can be manifested.

However, he writes that his approach is that the "cult identity" should be split into "sub identities." Then, some of these identities should be integrated into the real identity, and some put away. The result of this process is "post-cult identity" which is, according to Hassan, is different from "pre-cult identity."

So, it seems that he thinks that if ex-cult members are counseled by other counselors (those who suppress the "cult identity") or not counseled at all, they have permanent Dissociative Disorder. If they are counseled by him, their "cult identity" is split and integrated into the real identity. In this way, they get rid of Dissociative Disorder. This means that he probably considers that all the ex-members of cults have permanent Dissociative Disorder unless they got his counseling.

"Floating" is temporary. However, according to Hassan "cult identity" exists constantly. That is, an ex-cult member has two identities - the real identity and the "cult identity." After leaving a cult, he or she lives most time in the real identity. However, still there is a possibility to temporarily switch to the "cult identity." This switch is "floating." The existence of the two identities - the real identity and the "cult identity" - is what Hassan calls Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.

Both Hassan and Singer wrote that the episodes of "floating" can be caused by triggers. However, Hassan describes "floating" as a switch to the "cult identity." Singer describes "floating" as dissociation or spacing out. She did not write that "floating" has anything to do with the "cult identity." She did not mention the "cult identity" at all, describing "floating."

In addition to that, Singer considered "floating" as something normal, that all people experience sometimes. Just ex-members of cults experience "floating" episodes more often and for longer time. According to Hassan, since "floating" is a switch to the "cult identity," only people who have this identity can experience it. That is, according to Hassan, only ex-cult members experience "floating" and other people do not. So, he considers "floating" as pathology, not as a norm.

Bernie said...

Thanks!

Quote: "However, he writes that his approach is that the "cult identity" should be split into "sub identities." Then, some of these identities should be integrated into the real identity, and some put away. The result of this process is "post-cult identity" which is, according to Hassan, is different from "pre-cult identity.""

LOL - this sounds like Scientology, a "thetan" with many "body thetans", and one needs to get rid of his body thetans who influence the main thetan unconsciously...

Now, presumably, being part of a jogging club, would also create a "jogging club identity" and, who knows, maybe "jogging club sub-identities"... Not speaking of a "pre-jogging club identity" and, if I ever decided to quit, a "post-jogging club identity"...

God knows how many of these identities, sub-, pre- and post- identities we carry around.

I think I'll go to a Church of Scientology to get rid of them. May even cost me less than $100 per 30 minutes... ;-)

M Pignotti said...

Hi Bernie and Lema,
I've discussed this at some length with Steve Hassan when I was working with him and have just responded on Bernie's blog, attempting to explain some of where he's coming from.
My own position on "floating" is that this is largely a constructed pathology and something that people who have been deprogrammed or "counseled out" (or people who have read anti-cult literature) seem to report experiencing more than people who leave on their own. There are two possibilities here: One possibility is that those who were not privy to this "literature" may just not be aware of this condition. The other possibility is that the condition is the product of suggestion. I suspect this may be the case, given people who leave cults and appear to be doing just fine.
Of course, anti-cultists would say that they were just unaware or in denial but in that case, the theory is put into the category of a pseudoscientific "unfalsifiable" theory because there would be no way to test it. If the person admits to the symptoms, they are sick. If they report not having the symptoms they are "in denial". This is a classic trick employed by bogus therapists in a number of different areas. While I do think that dissociation is a real phenomena, the way it is being used here is greatly exaggerated and over-diagnosed in ex cult members. There is a great deal of controversy surrounding the area of dissociative disorders within the larger mental health profession so what you're seeing here is really just the tip of the iceberg.

Borz Löma Nal (Lema Nal) said...

Monica and Bernie, thank you for comments.

I think, in my case, "floating" was suggestion, not denial. In addition, I had the first episode of "floating" when I was doing Hassan's "powerful method of self-healing," that is, I was writing down my cult experience month by month. I am sure that I did not have any "floating" before that. This experience gave me impression that Hassan's recommendations may be dangerous. However, later, I thought that it was just a side effect because I did something wrong in following his recommendations. Now, I realize that it was not my fault.

Hassan's theory of many identities (real identity, pre-cult identity, cult identity, post-cult identity) and many sub identities does look strange. Actually, his "sub identities" are just different sides of a personality which everyone has.

He described his own "sub identities" - "idealist," "soldier," and so on - as the "sub identities" that he had before being involved in Moonism. As he writes, they were used by Moonism to create his new "cult identity." Later, as he writes, he "released" his "sub identities" from the "cult identity" and integrated them into the "post-cult identity."

He describes only "sub identities" gained before the cult involvement and during the cult involvement.

After leaving a cult, I gained some new "sub identities" because I have some new social roles. However, Hassan's theory does not include any new "sub identities" after leaving a cult.

To me, his theory looks like a big confusion. I agree that it is better to consider "sub identities" as just different social roles.

Bernie said...

"There are two possibilities here: One possibility is that those who were not privy to this "literature" may just not be aware of this condition. The other possibility is that the condition is the product of suggestion."

You left out the possibility that someone who has been deprogrammed or counseled out had to do in a very short time the trajectory someone who gets out gradually does over the course of a longer time, sometimes even months of doubting and questioning.

Hassan himself has been deprogrammed by Ted Patrick, I believe. This is very abrupt and while these people "see the light" regarding cults in a true manner, they also buy out loads of new suggestions at the same time. This is a result of being removed from the cult influence very abruptly and being constantly told that they are under mind-control. Floating is simply the result of the confusion the person has or is going through due to this abruptness and new suggestions. In my opinion people who have been so deprogrammed or "helped" are sick and all they do in trying to "help" others is just to propagate their own sickness.

The mechanism is the same as that of the cult: selling out a lot of "truth", tightly mixed with fallacies. You unwittingly and unconsciously buy the fallacies together with the truth, and the strength of the truth itself is what hold the fallacies in place.

They can't get rid of the fallacies because in their mind it is associated with the truths, and, besides, if they try, the confusion they have gone through comes back. They are thus extremely on the defensive and are eventually reduced to stupid cultic behavior such as Hassan displays when his certainties are being challenged.

Borz Löma Nal (Lema Nal) said...

In one of the previous posts ( http://lemanal.blogspot.com/2009/01/post-cult-after-effects-what-is-their.html ), I wrote that deprogramming or exit counseling may be more traumatic experience than the cult involvement. I think it can be a cause of post-cult depression or PTSD. I agree the deprogramming or exit counseling make a sudden change in a person's worldview and can cause confusion. Though, I am not sure what can be the cause of after exit counseling "floating" - this confusion itself or suggestion when exit counselors tell cult members what symptoms they should expect to experience after leaving.

Hassan was deprogrammed and, according to his words, experienced "floating" after leaving Moonism. I was not deprogrammed or exit counseled and left on my own after more than 3 years of doubting. For me, it was not a sudden change. I did not experience any "floating" before I read Hassan's "Combatting Cult Mind Control." In addition, I did not have most of the symptoms from Hassan's checklist.